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Susan Meeker-Lowry's avatar

I agree pretty much with everything you’ve written here, except for the disdain for Independents and the third party idea. I know the generally accepted “wisdom” is that the US was, is and always will be a two party country. But . . . look at where this has gotten us! Everything is changing, including Earth, big time. The past informs the future, when we pay attention, but there comes a time when, just because something has never been done, doesn’t mean it can’t, or shouldn’t, ever be done. As I see it, the democrats are also in the pockets of big capital, and beholden to corporate donors. In fact, many corporations donate to both parties, covering all bases. When our elected representatives refrain from doing the right thing, we must examine why. Why have so few democrats spoken out passionately against the cruelty, violence, ignoring court orders, etc? Where are past democrats in all leadership categories? They have also been noticeably silent. When we say, and believe, a third party will not work in the US, we make it impossible! But if we wake up and recognize the reality of where we are right now, the multiple crises facing us, and the whole planet really, we may decide it’s past time to come together under a new party that is for people and planet, that does what the democrats should be doing but aren’t, that speaks and acts passionately FOR people, FOR Earth, and that is NOT funded by corporate donors. It is possible if we believe it’s possible. Beating a dying horse to get him to run faster is not the solution to winning here. We need to put that horse out to pasture, give it love and care so the remainder of its life is comfort, and get a new horse in the race. In this case, a new party without the baggage of the so-called left that has alienated so many on both sides, and certainly without the meanness, cruelty, violence and abhorrence for what the US is supposed to stand for.

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Maria Rodale's avatar

While I agree in theory, I don’t think it works like that. First, independents don’t vote in primaries. Second history shows the best way to change a party is from within. Democrats used to be pro-slavery. Now they are anti-slavery. Leadership starts with individuals standing up for what is right, no matter what party they are. And money doesn’t buy elections. Harris raised more than Trump, even with Elons input. All of us need to speak up and make the best of the cards we are dealt. There is no perfect person, party or country.

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Jacque's avatar

Democrats aren’t exactly anti slavery. Many of them are in support of the industrial military prison complex and go along with the systematic racism and oppressive systems that have become modern day slavery. It’s not enough to be “anti slavery” in theory. They have to live and breathe it into our society. Most of them are bought out by “power” at this point. We need a revamp of the entire system whether it’s a new party or clearing out all the existing people, but change isn’t coming from this system.

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Susan Meeker-Lowry's avatar

I've been an independent most of my life. If there's a primary I care about, in a state that doesn't have open primaries (a few do), I'll actually change my affiliation so I can vote in the primary. Closed primaries need to be changed. They're extremely undemocratic. The main thing is that someone isn't allowed to vote twice. This should be easy to ensure without excluding independents from the primary process.

The history of our two parties is one of change for sure. But it seems that major shifts come about because of strong party leaders, which the democrats do not have today. Perhaps why the dems are so milquetoast, so subservient to the status quo of the past rather than looking toward the future that will be, and must be, very different on magnitudes of scale, than the current moment. Money does buy elections. When the DNC allows it to. Bernie raised more money than his opponents and he took no corporate donations. Twice. But his politics were too radical for the DNC status quo that is controlled by wealth, corporate wealth, not challenging, too much, the status quo. Just enough to sneak in. Like Obama talking about single payer and universal health care, then nixing the very idea as soon as he was elected. Which is how we got the advantage plans and now a health system controlled by insurance companies, not doctors and certainly not patients. But, of course that's all going to change once Medicaid is cut because it will also destroy rural health care for all.

I think it's time to try a new deck. Seriously. The best of what we have now sucks. I'm 73. I've been an activist since the 1980s. Everything I worked for is being destroyed. If we don't dare do something different, future generations, should they exist, will not thank us.

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Maria Rodale's avatar

I think you are pointing out an important truth here. It’s the DNC that is the problem, more than specific candidates. Reform is essential!

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Georgene Bleiler's avatar

I agree with everything you stated. They were not quiet about saying the election would be stolen. I questioned how all the swing states went to trump. It doesn’t make sense. Then there was the Oval Office meeting where they were discussing just that and little x said, shhhhh they will never know. Kids have no filter and listen to everything. That little boy sealed it for me. Continue to contact our representatives on a regular basis. Find credible sources of information and share. Stay Strong.

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Maria Rodale's avatar

❤️

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Laura Scalzo's avatar

Head of The Archives was fired and replaced by Rubio. Disturbing for many reasons.

“The Certificate of Ascertainment and Certificates of Vote are paired together and the electors sign, seal, and certify the electoral votes. They are sent to the President of the United States Senate (and the National Archives).”

https://www.docsteach.org/activities/printactivity/what-is-the-electoral-college

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Aocm🇨🇦's avatar

Excellent, thanks

“We have to find the courage to believe what we are actually seeing. “

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Jacque's avatar

“But how long the suffering goes on depends on how fiercely and quickly we wake up to our calling and act on it.

Gaza could be any of us. Any of our communities or countries.”

After 20 months, we still have so many people who can’t (or refuse?) to see the connection. We are not free until all of us are free!

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Lisa Weikel's avatar

I, too, have felt extremely frustrated that no one in a position of media influence seems to pay any attention to the just-below-the-surface flagrant boasting that election results were tampered with.

If any of us intimate that, gee, Musk did have a cadre of tech guys at his disposal to do his bidding and, gee, Trump said outright that he “didn’t need” the votes of his MAGA minions because they knew they would win…and a number of other obvious-to-our-progeny ways, then we are dismissed as being as conspiracy minded as MAGATS.

The thing is, they BROADCAST their cheating and lawlessness because, just as with everything else this regime does (remember the Qatar jet “gift?” Old news…) if they do it blatantly, THEY GET AWAY WITH IT.

Sorry for shouting, but this is all so very frustrating.

You are 100% correct! We must all dig deep right now and embody our callings. Do what we can. Do what we must. Together, we will prevail.

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K. M. Eggleston's avatar

A cathartic read, particularly the voter descriptions

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Richard Lane's avatar

Along the same line of reason, it is very concerning to see, first, that the various public media for media convenience divided us visually into "red or blue" states, and then down to "red and blue" districts. Trump, according to his media "barker" standard role-play, turns this into, 'I won everything, I now have a total mandate to run everything'. Unfortunately, that fallacy has become a common public thought form in all of its iterations.

Next, the very thin "republican-red" majority in the House and Senate, hanging on for dear life to that very stressed myth of power thread, abdicates their legislative role to the whims of the media "barker" king. Trump thus now fully believes he is a king in charge of everything, and mad kings (whether he is mad, as in narcissist-insane or not) get to do whatever they want. (Tragically reinforced by fearful cabinet and compliant legislators as underlings, prone to off with their(own!) heads thinking... so at all costs deferring to 'their' mad king.)

The seriously eroded balance of power non-governing results are evident, chaos and increasingly irrational actions and enforced by default edicts.

The solution to this imbalanced madness is us, only us, we the people, each individual citizens at the same time. You just clearly noted that citizen responsibility.... that each of us actually have the power to realize and perform our duty as citizens. We, and our liveable, decent country, are at stake. It is on us, each and all of us. Otherwise we are in for increasingly more turbulent times, the obviousness of present memetic trends becoming very much our own future consequences.

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Donna J Brown's avatar

I 100% agree! Have you watched the Cosmic Owl Post Election posts on YouTube? Very interesting information.

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Maria Rodale's avatar

I’ll check it out. Thanks!

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